The Hosts

Michael Fowler is a Licensed Marriage and Family therapist in Ft. Worth, TX. Michael has a private practice called Fowler Family Therapy where you can find information on therapy and get signed up; he and his wife, Shelbie, provide therapy and parenting education. You can't find him on any socials because when he’s not counseling, training to be a Pokemon Master, or bantering with Marco you can find him in his garage gym or getting coffee and taking walks with Shelbie and his kids-Alyssa and Haddon.

Marco De Leon has been involved in pastoral ministry and leadership for over a decade and serve as the preaching & theology pastor at Storehouse Community Church in McAllen, TX. Marco has helped host other podcasts including The Confessional Taco and Native Citizens. If you’re in the Valley, you might find him at the cigar lounge, cooking for his wife, Rebecca, or constructing narratives for Dungeons and Dragons with his son, Chango.